fantapolitica
humorous look at Italian politics (bilingual)Saturday, September 27, 2003
From Ansa http://www.ansa.it/fdg01/200309271550121147/200309271550121147.html
Giovanni Kessler capogruppo of the DS in the commission Telekom Serbia notes that Trantino told the commission that the anonymous letter accusing Paoletti arrived 8 January 2003. The letter was mailed 5 December 2002 and the Italian mail is not as slow as it once was. In an interview with Il Foglio Trantino says that the letter arrived a month before Paoletti testified (soon after it was mailed). This means that he lied to the commission which he presides.
To check see
http://www.ilfoglio.it/articolo.php?idoggetto=12781
and in particular
“Quando arriva il primo anonimo con oltre un mese di ritardo (e questa la prova che non c’era regia, perché avremmo avuto invece notizia immediata) convochiamo Fabrizio Paletti…” (Trantino quoted in Il Foglio)
and
Comunico che la Commissione ha acquisito i seguenti atti segreti: …uno scritto anonimo, con allegato, pervenuto in data 8 gennaio 2003.
extracted from
http://www.camera.it/_bicamerali/nochiosco.asp?pagina=/_bicamerali/leg14/telecom/home.htm
click on resoconti
click on Gen 2003 in the calender to the left
click on the first appearance of stenografico (refers to Seduta antimeridiana di giovedì 9 gennaio 2003)
search for anonimo or segreti or scroll down to line 14 of the Comunicazioni del presidente .
Comunico che la Commissione ha acquisito i seguenti atti segreti: documentazione, trasmessa da Telecom Italia con lettera pervenuta in data 7 gennaio 2003, concernente il riparto tra OTE e Telecom Italia dei costi sostenuti per l'acquisto di Telekom-Serbia; tabulati, trasmessi da TIM con lettera pervenuta in data 8 gennaio 2003, delle chiamate telefoniche in partenza e in arrivo sul telefono cellulare concesso in uso da Telecom Italia al signor Gianfrancesco Vitali; uno scritto anonimo, con allegato, pervenuto in data 8 gennaio 2003.
Here Trantino acting as the president of the commission clearly claims that an anonymous letter arrived the 8th of January 2003. There is no support for this claim as no such anonymous letter has ever been presented to anyone. In contrast an anonymous letter accusing Paoletti was mailed December 5 2002. In his interview with Il Foglio, Trantino says that Paoletti was summoned after a delay of one month. The statement made Sept 2003 to Il Foglio appears to be a confession that the statement made 9 January 2003 to the commission in the capacity of president of the commission was false.
This confirms the accusation made by Giovanni Kessler cited by ANSA
http://www.ansa.it/fdg01/200309271550121147/200309271550121147.html
''Eppure - dice Kessler - nel verbale della riunione della commissione del 9 gennaio si dice che la lettera anonima in commissione era arrivata il giorno prima, vale a dire l'8. Invece il timbro postale apposto sulla lettera anonima risale al giorno 5 dicembre,
It appears the the onorevole presidente Enzo Trantino lies not only to journalists but also to the commission which he presides in his official communication as president. L’onorevole presidente Trantino does not risk prison for actions clearly taken in his capacity as a legislator and necessarily protected from judicial investigation by parliamentary immunity required (in such cases at least) to protect the separation of powers.
I think it is clear that, were it not for such immunity, he would be guilty of the crime of suborning perjury. It is odd that the question of whether he should be removed as president of the committee is still debated. To me it is clear that he is a criminal and, but for the necessary principal that judges must not judge the action of legislators acting as legislators, he should be sent to jail for his efforts to assist a criminal design based on perjury.
I hope that l’onorevole presidente Trantino has the dignity and honor to denounce me for criminal calumny or, at least, to sue me for slander. Otherwise, we must assume that he is a criminal who does not dare allow any judge to judge his actions by leaving the shelter of parliamentary immunity which is for him, like the criminals who he has attempted to assist by his campaign of lies, a necessary refuge.
Unfortunately I have been unable to find an e-mail address for l'onorevole presidente Trantino or a way to e-mail this non anonymous accusation to the commissione. Therefore, it is possible that a failure to denounce me will indicate only that l'onorevole presidente Trantino does not know about this obscure accusation and not that he agrees he is a crimminal protected by parliamentary immunity or a coward.
Friday, September 26, 2003
Today I said omigod it looks like La Repubblica has done something right for a change. I wasn't
criticizing Italies largest circulation newspaper in particular. I should have said that I am amazed that
2 Italian journalists managed a good bit of investigative reporting. The best point is that their
strong accusations against Enzo Trantino (president of the commissione Telekom Serbia) and Carlo Taormina
(currently resigning from the commissione and from parliament and suing La Repubblica) are largely based
on contrasting their claims with the public transcript of the hearing which is available on the web.
for some reason the URL given in the article is www.parlamento.it from which a good bit of clicking is
needed. For English reading Italians I provide a slightly more direct link.
http://www.camera.it/_bicamerali/nochiosco.asp?pagina=/_bicamerali/leg14/telecom/home.htm
then click on resoconti
then click on Gen 2003 in the index/calender to the left of the page
then click on "stenografico" under Seduta di martedi 14 gennaio 2003
then click on a button with a right pointing triangle 4 times until
page 25 audizione dell'avvocato Fabrizio Paoletti appears
As claimed by Bonni and D'Avanzo in La Republicca 26 Sept 2003 the name Marini, Igor appears first
in a question posed by Enzo Trantino
PRESIDENTE. Lei conosce Marini Igor?
and not in a statement by Fabrizio Paoletti. This is, as noted by Bonni and D'Avanzo, in contrast
with a later claim by Trantino.
Again as claimed by Bonni and D'Avanzo Trantino asked Paoletti if he was acquainted with
people on a long list including D'Andria, Renato, Rubolino, Giorgio and Salvatore and Nicolo Spinello
and also
Volpe, Antonio; ; Mortera, Mario; Corloni Flavia; Pascucci, Vittorio; Marciano Ercolino, Vincenzo;
Romano Melchiore; Verzella, Luigi Goffredo; Ambrosio, Francesco, Strauber, Roland; Rubolino Giorgio;
Maslovic, Ducilio; Fox; Conte Vitali; Dimitriejevic, Srdja; Jacob Zaglina and Judeni Gaddani.
This does contrast markedly with Trantino's claim that Paoletti led him towards the alleged bribe of
leaders of the current opposition. One might almost think he had something in mind when he began
questioning Trantino.
Carlo Taormino did indeed ask Paoletti if he knew someone named Pintus
[edit someone identifying himself as Curio Pintus wrote me at rjw88@hotmail.com. He appears to have some potential objection to something posted either here or in my other blog. I note that, aside from this reference, I posted only quotations from the web transcript of the Telekom Serbia commission or from an article i La Repubblica. As a matter of extreme scrupulousness I quote the complaint in full here (and in my other blog)
Ritenendo chiarita la mia posizione nella vicenda Telekom Serbia definita dal Tribunale di Torino quale parte lesa nel procedimento Marini+altri e con la disposizione dello stesso Tribunale in data 15/12/03 nella quale procede contro lo stesso Marini per diffamazione, falso in dichiarazioni considerandolo persona non credibile, Vi invito a togliere dal sito e dal frontespizio del mio nominativo ogni riferimento al caso in oggetto.
Il mantenimento nel sito di dette notizie, dimostrate non veritiere, sono lesive per la mia persona; certo che quanto richiesto venga da Voi preso in buona considerazione, nell'attesa di quanto sopra, porgo distinti saluti
CURIO PINTUS
Now it is unclear to me what "dette notizie, dimostrate non veritiere" might be since I seem to have only quoted a questino asked by C Taormina and misquoted by Bonni and d'Avanzo (see below). end edit]
and if he knew the Nicaraguan ambassador
to the Vatican. However, if he sues La Repubblica he might point out that his question was
CARLO TAORMINA. Conosce Pintus?
not "conosce tale Curio Pintus" and that the currently posted transcript does not quote him
asking "conosce Robelo ambasciatore del Nicaragua in Vaticano" which Bonni and D'Avanzo describe as a mistake,
since the Nicaraguan ambassador in the Vatican is, of course, named Robledo. In fact the
exchange (as reported on the web page) is as follows
CARLO TAORMINA. Conosce Ropledo?
FABRIZIO PAOLETTI. Chi?
CARLO TAORMINA. Ropledo, ambasciatore del Nicaragua in Vaticano.
Now it remains to this day entirely mysterious why the ex onorevole Taormina thought that a committee
investigating the purchase of 29% of Telekom Serbia should know if a Roman lawyer accused in an anonymous
letter of having some involvement in dishonest side deals knew the Nicaraguan ambassador to the Vatican, but there
is no evidence on the web site that Carlo Taormina got the name of the ambassador wrong.
One odd thing in the article is that in the list of names, Trantino is quoted only for the surname and given name.
The rule of style that reptitions are to be avoided means that his monotonous questions are paraphrased (not in quotation
marks). To me this is odd. When I see two words in quotation marks in a sentence which is largely not in quotation
marks I automatically suspect that a meaning has been distorted by removal of the context. Reading the
transcript, I agree with Bonni and D'Avanzo that Trantino had some source of (mis)information other than
Paoletti and that he was questioning Paoletti with a theory in mind. This would be important if he later attempted to
imply that Paoletti had led the committee to it's later misadventures with Marini. This depends on a claim which
Trantino is alleged to have made after January 14. Actually I trust Bonni and D'Avanzo but I am amazed that a desire
to improve the style of Trantino would lead them to quote in bits and pieces and cast doubt on all of their quotes.
Still I sure wish I had written that article.
